Ensemble Chimes Global in Bankruptcy
Posted by: Brent Martin in News on Jan 09, 2008
As a result of the liquidity crisis at Axium and ECG, the companies have been forced to file Chapter 7 petitions this afternoon and all operations are shutdown. The businesses will not reopen.
Not sure how this will affect me since I’m currently going through ECG at my current client, but my client assures me it won’t be a problem. I still can’t help but feeling like one of many creditors of ECG with my hand out for what’s left over in the bankruptcy proceedings.
According to ECG’s web site, “ECG is the largest contingent labor management services provider in the world.” I’m sure this will be very bad for a lot of IT people including some PeopleSoft consultants.
I'm sure a lot of people have questions including whether or not taxes have been paid, whether or not 1099 or W2's will be printed, and whether that last payment will be sent. If anybody has any information please let me know!

written by R. D., January 09, 2008
Very Bad.
written by John L, January 10, 2008
written by Chris Lockhart, January 10, 2008
Sorry you are caught up in the mess. The main driver of the bankruptcy appears to be non-payment of W2 taxes. They paid up for one year (reportedly $30 MM) but are behind in 4 other years. Expect to get notices from the IRS. Moreover, I understand none of the invoices paid by client will be paid to vendors, which is going to hurt a lot of folks. Not sure if customers will re-pay their bills or not.
What client do you work for? My client, dotStaff, is a VMS that is helping some of the Chimes users to recover a viable solution to manage their contingent labor. We are trying to get Chimes ex-customers up and running ASAP. Maybe you could help at your office?
Good luck.
Chris Lockhart
President
Lockhart Group, Inc.
written by PS, January 10, 2008
written by R. D., January 10, 2008
Brent-
Is the client telling you to forfeit December payment and keep working for them? I'm thinking of raising the rate to compensate for the December loss and to build in some "risk" insurance as I don't make alot on my consultants.
I don't like the idea that I am forced to go through Chimes for 3% less, just to have them keep all the money - I still pay my consultants but its out of my pocket now.
written by P.K., January 10, 2008
With global capital drying up, I'd avoid venture-funded or startup VMS's. There are plenty of stable vendor neutral providers, no need to go with a risky provider. Kelly VMS and ProcureStaff (Volt) come to mind, both parts of large, stable, and publicly traded companies
written by Chris Roos, January 11, 2008
Depending on they type of bankruptcy and details, there could be some pain felt later on. I would cash checks now and hang on to the money just in case.
written by N.T, January 11, 2008
written by MP, January 11, 2008
John K, if you have a moment, please share how you saw this coming.
Thank you!
written by paul.reiter@earthlink.net, January 11, 2008
Good luck to everyone,
Paul Reiter
RC3, Inc.
written by William, January 11, 2008
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-axium9jan09,1,733565.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
We are in biotech and are forced by our client to join the Ensemble Program in Feb. We had a conference call with our client yesterday. They told us to keep working but aren't responsible for the hours prior to Jan 9. Even worst, they're making us to go thru another staffing company.
written by Mary, January 12, 2008
written by Frank Liggett, January 12, 2008
written by Ginny Velasquez, January 12, 2008
written by Chad, January 12, 2008
written by ben dover, January 12, 2008
I did check with IRS and they said that employees aren't responsible for withholding if your fark tard employer STEALS it.
written by Steve, January 13, 2008
written by ANON, January 13, 2008
written by Troubled Contractor, January 14, 2008
written by Ian Tynan, January 14, 2008
written by Contract Geek, January 15, 2008
written by Ben Slaugh, January 15, 2008
Looks like my bad feeling about the future of ECG was confirmed. I'm contracting now and about to get an FTE offer with benefits, but I would hate for my need for insurance to be my prime motivation for accepting a sub-par offer for employment somewhere.
written by Caught Off Guard, January 15, 2008
written by Ex-ECGer, January 15, 2008
I've received a lot of calls from past co-workers and other people I knew in the industry asking me about the whole Chimes debacle and the Chimes downfall and how Chimes screwed hundreds, if not thousands of contractors out of money for the past couple of months.
I want to make it clear that it was Axium executives who messed up. Axium was in control of the money.
ECG (Chimes) was there to make the contracting business fair and to help manage costs and I cringe everytime I hear about how ECG screwed people over. It was Axium!
I didn't get my last paycheck, but I am not so concerned with that. Everybody that I work with feels terrible about this situation - especially for the independent contractors who don't have an agency to fall back on. I am praying that the people who are to blame for this have to pay and go to prison; and I am also praying for the well-being of all the families who have been affected by this as I am in contact with them everyday.
written by Mary D, January 16, 2008
written by Chad, January 16, 2008
written by Chimed, January 16, 2008
written by playdoh, January 16, 2008
written by Caught Off Guard, January 16, 2008
New article on lawsuit filed against Axium.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-axium16jan16,1,5181872.story?coll=la-headlines-business&ctrack=2&cset=true
written by Jobless in Cali, January 16, 2008
written by M, January 17, 2008
Dear colleagues,
We are happy to report that the trustee appointed to the Axium (Ensemble) bankruptcy has agreed that payment of wages should be made for services rendered after December 30, 2007. This means that Bayer contractors who were payrolled by the former Ensemble who worked from December 30, 2007 through January 8, 2008 will be compensated by their current external contractor payroller for hours worked. Paychecks will be processed by the end of this week, and the employees will receive the paychecks shortly thereafter.
written by Chad Crews, January 17, 2008
thanks
chad
written by Caught Off Guard, January 17, 2008
written by Chris, January 17, 2008
We just where told by P******staff that because they didn't invoice the client properly for invoices 5 months ago the client is refusing to pay them so they don't have to pay us.
Keep in mind it was their mistake and we don't get paid.
I wish the business community would look at this VMS's and see what a bad deal they realy are. I also hope all of Ensemble Chimes clients step up and support thier vendors in the bankruptcy court and not act like P********staff
written by Chris Beaty, January 17, 2008
This is really going to hurt contractors and the staffing providers, as they have to now pay their W-2 employees (which is usually a requirement by the VMS, no 1099's or C2C's). And we're supposed to continue working with all the VMS folks and continue on as if all is normal after this?
VMS systems are cumbersome black holes that are merely replacing slow HR functions. The only real value a client sees by using VMS is consolidated A/P. Any decrease in rates that they get go straight to the VMS, paid for by the suppliers.
I'm hopeful this model will die out, as the real estate and mortgage broker model is dying off now.
written by MMF, January 18, 2008
written by M, January 18, 2008
I believe this is true. I was moved back to the my previous payroll company on the 1/9 (was forced to go with ECG mid November). I just received a direct deposit for my work from 12/31 - 1/8 in addition to the hours I billed from 1/9 - 1/13 from that company. My timesheet for the week ending 1/6 still says approved but not invoiced in the ECG system. The only downside is I got nailed for more withholding that usual because it was all lumped into 1 week. At least I'm not out any money. Hope this works out as well for others as it has for me.
BTW, I want to thank you for starting this blog it's been a great source of information for all of us caught up in this mess.
written by Rafi Sheikh, January 18, 2008
written by Small Staffing Company, January 18, 2008
written by Caught Off Guard, January 18, 2008
http://www.startribune.com/business/13881336.html
written by P.K., January 19, 2008
The vendors have a legit gripe here, they were forced to go with the VMS. They are basically forced to pay for thier clients outsourcing of thier procurement/hr/ap function. And what's worse, they're paying for a cost control service that ultimately lowers thier revenue. I dont' remember the exact numbers I saw, but both VMS solutions I worked with brought double digit % savings. To the person hiring the resource, the VMS is a little middleman (2-3% markup) to manage the vendor who is a big middleman (35-50% markup).
The contractors, you lose all around. The VMS gives the clients visibility to squeeze the vendors, who in turn squeeze you. And, even if the companies find you themselves and you are incorporated, they still have to payroll you through a vendor because of something called coemployment (essentially, you can sue them benefits otherwise)
written by FedUP, January 21, 2008
written by Sandi Harrison, January 21, 2008
written by MS, January 22, 2008
written by LK, January 22, 2008
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3ie223c6999f824142b6fdb802d74310d7
written by M, January 23, 2008
http://www.americanstaffing.net/ASAalerts/jan_17_08.pdf
Has anyone heard anything new about W2's ?
written by mark richter, January 23, 2008
mrichterallmed@yahoo.com
written by Chris Beaty, January 24, 2008
Also, where did Barry's post on here go? Didn't he have a comment a few days ago? Guess he should pull it if he's trying to buy back the shell. Not a bad idea from a business point, I suppose it's a good gamble if you've got the capital.
Same 'ol though. If the people in the know at these big clients only knew half of what we in the trenches of staffing know, they'd run from most (not all) vms providers.
Best wishes to those that are in the hole. I checked our Chimes contract and it says we don't get paid until they do; I'd imagine that means what it says. Thankfully we bailed on those before getting too far along. Something about forced markups in the 20 percentile range, AND the fact that they tell us what the payrate should be, just isn't right.
Here's a great model for staffing firms for future growth--join a VMS, let them make you do 28%, 35%, even 38% markups, then let them take 3 or 4% off the gross, oh and let them determine the pay rates, and then let them sit on your resumes and provide no feedback. Oh yes, don't forget to take your logo and brand off the resumes... Sorry I'm venting here but it's kinda become outta control.
written by Joe Joe, January 24, 2008
written by Franky, January 24, 2008
written by Chris Beaty, January 24, 2008
" vms is Beeline. "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."
written by MS, January 25, 2008
written by paul.reiter@earthlink.net, January 26, 2008
What about November? Every check they sent for November bounced. THANKS A LOT.
What's so magic about Dec 1st? None of this was happening then.
If any of you are still working for your clients after they wiped their hands of an OBLIGATION to pay you, I think you ought to be looking for someone else to work for! The client just sits there and says, "go see the bankruptcy court" for work WE DID FOR THEM. Look at the profits of the "Number One Car company", do you think for a New York Minute that they couldn't pay you in a heartbeat? The problem is, you're nothing but a scum contractor caught in the giant machine of corporate America, and nobody is going to make sure that you're not screwed royal. Same difference as being an autoworker. Excuse me, an American non-union autoworker. When push comes to shove do the Japanese "do the right thing"? Don't hold your breath. Wall Street would do well by exposing this BS.
written by Rich Hale, January 26, 2008
written by Michael Lerner, January 28, 2008
21st Financial Solutions provides financing to staffing companies and I welcome any questions or comments.
Michael Lerner
written by C. Moore, January 29, 2008
http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/01/16/GldnvAxium.pdf
written by paul.reiter@earthlink.net, February 02, 2008
Whatever I do from here on in, I will control the money directly.
As for Axium, I'm waiting for the meeting of creditors that's coming up. Maybe we'll all know something then.
Paul
written by Veronica Jeans, February 04, 2008
Beeline is the same as any other VMS. A big black hole and will make it as difficult as possible to sign up as a vendor. So expect the same as before.
And the chap that thinks we, as staffing companies have a large markup. Think again. We get squeezed by the contractor wanting their rates, the client keeping the billable rate low, and we take the risks of paying people out before we get paid 60 -90 days later.
Actually, the larger companies were caught flatfooted on this whole debacle.
Just thought I would put my two cents in.
written by Jamie Stephennson, February 04, 2008
written by Jamie Stephenson - my email is datology@cox.net, February 04, 2008
written by Michael Moreau, February 05, 2008
A few suppliers, myself included, have hired a California attorney to represent us in this ECG mess. He thinks there is a chance to recoup funds from the trustee and that a class action suit maybe needed to get the remaining monies owed to the staffing firms. It looks like if the payments where not made to ECG than the clients can pay us directly or through the trustee minus the service fee. The money that was paid to ECG and not paid to the staffing firms is where the battle will be. If anyone is interested in joining our group they can contact
Michael E. Busch, Esq.
Pyle Sims Duncan & Stevenson, APC
401 B Street, Suite 1500
San Diego, CA 92101
Direct: (619) 699-5270
Fax: (619) 687-5210
email: mebusch@psdslaw.com
As Rich stated we all signed the same contract and it lists the Client as the customer.
We are all in the same boat so class action makes sense
written by Rich Hale, February 06, 2008
written by Green, February 07, 2008
written by Green, February 07, 2008
written by Pk, February 13, 2008
written by ben dover, February 13, 2008
Diversity MSP aka Ensemble sent out W2s last week. Haven't checked it for accuracy tho.
Good luck to everybody.
written by Rafael Martinez, February 21, 2008
written by Kristen, March 13, 2008
written by G. Stirling, February 13, 2009
I was employed in Hong Kong as Head of Global Operations (Asia Pacific) for ECG afew months before their closure. Can anyone tell me what the latest is with getting outstanding salary payments from them ? They still owe me a salary payment, expense claims etc, etc.
Thanks,
Glenn.
written by Paul Reiter, May 09, 2009
In it, he demands I REPAY all the monies Ensemble paid my corporation--get this--from 90 days BEFORE their declaration of bankruptcy. In spite of the fact they still owe ME $30K !!
Has anyone else received this letter?
written by Paul Reiter, May 10, 2009
I imagine other companies got the letter with much larger amounts.
It wasn't even a registered letter! "Oh by the way, please send us a check for $60,000 within 2 weeks or else!"
I guess I'll join the masses of unemployed.
TTFN,
P.
written by Paul Reiter, May 10, 2009
http://library.findlaw.com/2004/Oct/7/133594.html
written by MikeMN, May 12, 2009
We only have a few days to file a reply to the Axium Chimes bankruptcy preferential payments claim.
written by Felicia McGee, May 12, 2009
We also got the letter from the Axium / Chimes bankruptcy Trustee. What do we do and how do we get connected to address this issue as we have only few days left?
written by Paul Reiter, May 13, 2009
I'll be happy to refer anyone with interest in responding to the "preferential payment" letter. Please email me at: paul.reiter earthlink.net with your request.
Paul Reiter
RC3, Inc.
written by Donna Martinez, May 13, 2009
written by Reena Gupta, May 14, 2009
We have received a similar letter with much higher amount and we are working with a lawyer on it. Anyone interested in sharing the cost of the lawyer then I'm very keen to do it. I just can't believe that we have to go through this mess for no fault of ours.
Reena
written by Kalyan Srinivasan, May 14, 2009
Thanks,
Kalyan
written by Murtaza Abbas, May 19, 2009
Thanks,
